沈先生 探花 【键盘侠】四队酝酿保罗走动|卢比奥能让快船重获更生？
沈先生 探花
[Macri] OKC/PHX talks have advanced past preliminary stages to discussion of expanding to a four-team deal involving the Clippers and Mavericks
据纽约记者Jonathan Macri报谈，雷霆与太阳针对保罗的走动可行性护士已通过初步阶段，咫尺护士扩大到包含快船、独行侠在内的四队走动。
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[–]Lakers Uckthebroncos 351 指標 1 天前
Oh shit Booker to the thunder !
湖东谈主球迷：我靠，布克要去雷霆了！
[–]Suns Jbash_31 10 指標 22 小時前
You’re a funny man
太阳球迷：老弟谈笑了
[–]Spurs Thehelloman0 30 指標 17小時前
Trades involving multiple teams are harder to get done but we have seen some trades like that happen recently
马刺球迷：一般触及到多队的走动齐会更难落地，但最近近些年我们看过几次告捷的案例。
[–]76ers bulldozer_rob 156 指標 17小時前
Wow he’s really getting traded to Phoenix. That’s nuts
76东谈主球迷：哇，保罗看来真的要被走动到太阳咯。太豪恣了。
[–]Thunder salty_dogey 44 指標 13小時前
it’s an upgrade over rubio， and they can get experience competing late in the season and possibly playoffs if he indeed does end up in phoenix.
雷霆球迷：如果保罗真的去了菲尼克斯，比起卢比奥那等于一次升级，何况太阳还能在赛季末期致使是季后赛得到陶冶加捏。
[–]76ers bulldozer_rob 33 指標 13小時前
Yea it’s cool for them but it doesn’t really change the NBA landscape to me. Wish we could get him. But more importantly in that same trade， if the clippers get Rubio that’s gonna be a problem
76东谈主球迷：没错，这对太阳有意，不外我以为这对定约模样不会有啥影响。但愿我76东谈主能得到保罗。不外这笔走动更让东谈主头疼的是，若是快船得到卢比奥，那就勤劳了。
[–]Thunder salty_dogey 12 指標 13小時前
yeah it just makes the suns even more fun to watch， i really like watching phoenix play idk why. the clippers need rubio， CP3 would be great for them as he is a good scorer on his own but rubio fixes the playmaking issue
雷霆球迷：是的，保罗去了只会让太阳更排场，也不知谈为啥，我确乎很可爱看太阳打球。快船需要卢比奥，虽说保罗也很合适，毕竟他得分智商很强，但是卢比奥能惩办快船的组织问题。
[–]Bulls laughffyman 22 指標 15小時前
OKC is in rebuild， PHX is gearing up to be a contender， DAL is in win mode but has a bright future and won't mortgage it for short term success， and LAC are in desperate win now mode.
Very curious to see how this plays out.
公牛球迷：雷霆处于重建期，太阳这是要打造争冠成就，独行侠处于赢球模式，但出息光明，且不会为了短期告捷而透支改日，而快船则处于急需夺冠的赢在当下模式。
很思望望这四队一通操管事后是啥遵循。
[–]76ers FoFoAndFo 81 指標 17小時前
Man I hope for the suns sake they don't give up too much for CP3. I think they could be really good but probably not on Paul's timeline.
76东谈主球迷：但愿太阳为特出到保罗不至于失去太多，我以为他们会很犀利，不外也许保罗在的时分不会知道收效。
[–]Suns Tailsofthesix 45 指標 17小時前
I think it’s a 4 team deal cause suns don’t want to give up their pick. I believe Jones plan is to draft a pg and let CP3 mentor him.
太阳球迷：等于因为我们不思毁灭选秀签，是以才是四队走动。我信托詹姆斯-琼斯的筹画等于选一个控卫，再让保罗教化他。
[–]Knicks Fmbounce 12 指標 16小時前
Could someone tell me why the Suns would do this? no trolling please. Chris Paul would obviously be an upgrade to Rubio but then they're also helping the Clippers get better. Is it moreso to bring a winning culture in?
尼克斯球迷：谁能说说为啥太阳要这样作念吗？别引战哈。保罗确乎比卢比奥强，可这样一来，他们也增强了快船的实力啊。难谈是为了打造赢球文化？
[–]Suns Tailsofthesix 30 指標 16小時前
suns just want to make the playoffs， we don't care about making a finals contender better. it's not like the chances of us making it out of the west is high
太阳球迷：我们只是思进季后赛辛苦，是否让争冠球队更强我们不在乎。归正我们又不能能打进总决赛。
[–]Timberwolves goldenboots 10 指標 15小時前
Suns fans， take it from a wolves fan. Trading away Rubio as part of a win-now move will help you make the playoffs this year. And after that your future will be lost. It's not worth it. Rubio is absolutely amazing at building up the team around him， and while CP3 is amazing， trading away young assets for the upgrade is extremely short sighted.
丛林狼球迷：我这个狼蜜说一句哈，送走卢比奥是你们赢在当下模式的一部分，这能匡助你们下赛季打进季后赛，但你们的改日就莫得了，不值得啊。卢比奥服气是相宜建队的，虽说保罗很强，但是为了此次升级而走动走年青钞票，这种举止是极其短视的。
[–]Suns EloHellDoesNotExist 19 指標 15小時前
make the playoffs the next two years， have a ton of money coming of the books for a good FA class in 2022. turn yourself into a respectable team， get experience and mentorship for the young guys，幼女白丝 become attractive to free agents when they have a ton of money to spend in a couple years.
太阳球迷：我们等于思在两年内打进季后赛啊，到了22年又有大笔钱去开脱市集干一票大的。这两年先让球队获得敌手尊重、积聚陶冶，再查考年青东谈主，比及两年后资金满盈时材干眩惑开脱球员。
[–]Vai2ius 23 指標 1 天前
First Wolves， then Jazz， now Suns... Feels bad for Rubio....
先是丛林狼，然后是爵士，当今又是太阳……卢比奥好惨……
[–]Timberwolves HotSteak 27 指標 19 小時前
He gets tons of love when he returns to Minnesota and Utah and I'm sure Phoenix would be the same. The guy basically wouldn't play a road game in the western conference
丛林狼球迷：他离队后再回到明尼苏达和犹他的时分很受接待啊，我信托他以后回到菲尼克斯亦然同样的待遇。这哥们儿在西部赛区基本就莫得客场比赛。
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[–]Celtics OverallPrettyGood 683 指標 17小時前
Rubio ends up with the Clippers in this scenario I assume?
凯尔特东谈主球迷：照这情形，我猜卢比奥这是要去快船咯？
[–]Heat chrispepper10 17 指標 14小時前
Not sure how Clippers would accommodate his salary though. They would probably have to trade Beverley in this scenario. There isn't room if all they are trading is Shamet.
热火球迷：不外我真不知谈快船奈何匹配他的薪资。未必得送走贝弗利。如果他们只送走沙梅特的话，那就没空间了。
[–]Dazegobye 20 指標 16小時前
Just for shamet? I hope they have to pay more than that. Otherwise the rich just get richer
只肯出沙梅特？我但愿他们多掏点，否则的话只会让富者更富。
[–]Raptors Hatarius 15 指標 15小時前
Clippers should not be dealing with Presti again lol， they just tryna get punked
猛龙球迷：快船不该再和普雷斯蒂作念走动了，哈哈哈，还思被宰啊
[–]Thunder moneybooy 585 指標 17小時前
If they get him it would be a huge upgrade
雷霆球迷：如果他们得到卢比奥，那等于一次纷乱的实力升级。
[–]Toronto Huskies IAmDaleicious 57 指標 16小時前
I agree. Rubio seems like a good locker room guy too， so I’d absolutely hop on that deal if I were the Clippers.
我原意。何况卢比奥貌似亦然个可以的更衣室球员，是以如果我是快船管制层，这走动服气得作念。
[–]rSlashNbaAccount 411 指標 17小時前
Would fix their most important problem. Playmaker.
卢比奥能惩办快船最大的问题：组织。
[–]Celtics OverallPrettyGood 77 指標 17小時前
Yeah they had been starved for a PG so that would be huge
凯尔特东谈主球迷：是的，他们很渴求一个控卫，是以这笔走动很要道的。
[–]Heat Giannis1995 55 指標 13小時前
Imagine if Kawhi told them "get me a PG and I'll sign" and they misunderstood and got PG from OKC and after Kawhi heard the news he felt guilty for it so he signed regardless.
热火球迷：搞不好小卡当初跟快船管制层说的是“给我个PG（控卫）我就签约”，截至快船扭曲了，从雷霆搞来了真PG（乔治）。小卡得知这一音问后感到很羞愧，是以就签了。
[–]Like CalvinForHobbes 339 指標 15小時前
They'd get an instant boost on playmaking and likability; their two biggest flaws.
若是得到卢比奥，那快船的组织智商和东谈主气将立马扶助，这但是他们最大的两个短板。
[–]rSlashNbaAccount 197 指標 15小時前
The likability department is hopeless with PatBev and Morris.
只须贝弗利和莫里斯还在，他们的东谈主气就不能能扶助。
[–]Study Room-F 37 指標 15小時前
I actually don't mind Morris that much anymore， but I will always hate Bev
其实我倒没那么介怀莫里斯了，不外我会经久敌视贝弗利
[–][DAL] Maxi Kleber AsnSensation 160 指標 14小時前
Funny. Morris is much worse than PatBev
独行侠球迷：有道理哦，莫里斯可比贝弗利要坏多了
[–]ForteIV 27 指標 13小時前
Exactly lol. Pat Bev just barks， Morris is about that action
确乎是，哈哈哈。贝弗利只会瞎嚷嚷，莫里斯那是要上手的。
[–]Spurs mdivan 6 指標 13小時前
I would bet $1 by the start of the season Bev， Morris and Harrel are not Clippers anymore
马刺球迷：我赌一块钱，比及赛季运行的时分，贝弗利、莫里斯和哈雷尔齐不在队里了。
[–]Supersonics Zeech360 134 指標 16小時前
Hopefully he can change their culture. I guess they'd need to get rid of Trez， Pat and Lou for any real culture change though.
超音速球迷：但愿卢比奥能蜕变快船的文化。不外我以为他们得处理掉哈雷尔、贝弗利和路威。
[–]Raptors FlameOfWar 309 指標 16小時前
They don't need a culture change， just a playmaker. Changing coaches and some personnel is enough. People keep acting as if they were an 8th seed first round exit.
猛龙球迷：他们不需要蜕变球队文化，只是却一个组织者。换掉陶冶和一些东谈主员成就就够了。别老搞得像快船上赛季是排在第八首轮游同样。
[–]76ers Kmahnlol4[ ] 167 指標 16小時前
For real
The clippers fucked up， everything that could have gone wrong for them went wrong. People act like theyre suddenly a bad team for this one fuckup. Their lineup is still really solid， they dont need to blow it all up. A few minor adjustments here and there and they'll be back near the top at the start of next season
76东谈主球迷：还确凿。快船上赛季歇菜是因为诸事点背。别真以为他们因为此次拉胯就顷刻间间形成烂队了。他们的声威依旧很刚劲，没必要透顶推倒重来。极少微调就能让他们不才赛季初重返顶级行列。
[–]Pelicans zacree 38 指標 14小時前
Their lineup is still arguably one of the deepest in the league， tbh. These dudes had barely a season to play together and then played in the worst scenario in the history of the league for teams without great chemistry. If they didn't make any changes other than attitude and accountability， I could easily see them going all the way. The west is terrifying.
鹈鹕球迷：说真话，快船的声威深度应该算是定约最强之一。他们这些东谈主齐莫得在通盘打满过所有赛季，在短缺化学反映的情况下又遇到了新冠这个定约史上最难境地。如果他们只是从格结伙担当上作念出蜕变，我如故以为他们能够走到临了。西部太吓东谈主了。
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[–]nipslip69_420 360 指標 17小時前
I hope the Mavs keep DFS
但愿独行侠能留下芬尼-史姑娘。
[–]Mavericks d7h7n 45 指標 16小時前
i dont want him to leave， he's like the perfect role player
独行侠球迷：我不但愿他离开，他等于那种完整的扮装球员。
[–]Mavericks lost_in_trepidation 26 指標 16小時前
He's one of our most valuable players and that's without talking about the dirt cheap contract.
独行侠球迷：他是我们队内最有价值的球员之一，这还没算上他那份变态的白菜价协议。
[–]Mavericks kankka88 236 指標 17小時前
I love DFS and Maxi. If we trade either of them I hope we get a GREAT return. I think both are severely underrated by most NBA fans.
独行侠球迷：我可爱电电扇和克莱伯。万一我们要送走他俩其中之一的话，那我但愿能有丰厚的报告。我以为他俩齐被大多半NBA球迷严重低估了。
[–][SAS] Derrick White PartickNotPatrick 19 指標 16小時前
Kleber is low key one of the better defenders in the league， love his game
马刺球迷：克莱伯的细心其实是定约中上游的，我很可爱他的比赛。
[–]Mavericks Julian_Caesar 12 指標 16小時前
Actually I think other fans rate them relatively well. But both their contracts are absolute steals.
独行侠球迷：其实我倒以为其他球迷对他俩的评价比拟公正。不外他俩当今这价格统统是我侠赚了。
[–]Suns Tailsofthesix 117 指標 16小時前
I think y’all might get oubre. Basically what I’m seeing is thunder’s are just going to end up with picks
太阳球迷：我以为你们未必能得到乌布雷，而雷霆大致等于冲着选秀签去的。
[–]Nets Lambchops_Legion 47 指標 14小時前*
If I had to guess its
Clippers receive: Rubio
Suns receive: CP3
Mavs receive: Oubre
Thunder receives: Shamet + Harrell + 18
It's essentially Rubio + Oubre for CP3， and then Oubre traded for pick 18， and Rubio traded for Shamet + Harrell.
篮网球迷：要我猜的话，快船得到卢比奥，太阳得到保罗，独行侠得到乌布雷，雷霆得到沙梅特、哈雷尔和18号签。换保罗必须得有卢比奥和乌布雷，然后乌布雷去换18号签，再用卢比奥换到沙梅特和哈雷尔。
[–]Thunder moneybooy 153 指標 17小時前
I hope we can get Shamet
雷霆球迷：但愿我雷能搞来沙梅特。
[–]76ers lil_extro_vert_ 108 指標 17小時前
I’m surprised he wasn’t in the PG trade tbh
76东谈主球迷：当初乔治那笔走动没打包沙梅特，这是很让我惊诧的。
[–]Thunder LeBronicTheHolistic 24 指標 16小時前
I was telling all my friends how mad I was we didn’t get him alongside SGA. Hope we rectify that mistake， I think he’s gonna be a stud
雷霆球迷：我那时还跟我扫数的一又友说我方有多不悦，因为我雷没把沙梅特和亚历山大打包带走。但愿此次能矫正特地，因为我以为沙梅特很有出路。
[–]Trail Blazers johnsom3 39 指標 15小時前
Lol dont be greedy. You got a haul of picks AND Shai.
拓荒者球迷：哈哈，别贪图。你们也曾薅了一堆选秀签，还有亚历山大。
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[–]Suns TropangTexter 342 指標 1 天前
Paul， Booker， Bridges， Ayton， Cam Johnson is a good core to run with.
Not sure how Paul's contract will affect being able to dd surrounding pieces， but the MLE should still be there + the 10th pick. Should still be enough to bring back Saric or other depth pieces.
Love this. Big move.
太阳球迷：保罗、布克、布里奇斯、艾顿、约翰逊，太阳这中枢团队很强啊。
保罗的协议会对太阳补充其他辅助拼图有啥影响，这还不细则，不外他们应该如故有中产特例和10号签的。这应该足以续约萨里奇或者其他替补悍将。
这个神操作很对我胃口！
[–]Wizards StrengthOf80Midgets 1553 指標 1 天前
Trading with Presti is a risky game
奇才球迷：和普雷斯蒂作念营业风险很大哦
[–]Raptors Raptors2017champs 65 指標 1 天前
Trading with James Jones is very safe.
猛龙球迷：但是和詹姆斯-琼斯作念营业就极端稳健了
[–]Suns FireAndBud11 94 指標 1 天前
He did turn Ariza into Oubre though.
太阳球迷：但是他确乎是把阿里扎换成了乌布雷啊
[–]Suns Erickonfire 62 指標 1 天前
By accident
太阳球迷：瞎蒙的
[–]Trail Blazers _Quetzalcoatlus_ 1201 指標 1 天前
Trading for an injury prone 35yo on an albatross contract who has clashed with other stars is also a risky game.
拓荒者球迷：为了一个身背毒药协议且与其他球星队友有过突破的35岁易伤宿将，这亦然在冒险。
[–]Trail Blazers RandyJoeP 365 指標 1 天前
It's only 2 years (including this year) so it's not nearly as bad as getting Westbrook/Love (3 more years).
拓荒者球迷：也就两年啊（包括新赛季），是以这毒性远远比不上威少和乐福（还有三年）的。
[–][TOR] John Long RunicLordofMelons 43 指標 1 天前
Think about it this way: Adding a veteran PG who has shown he can mentor young stars， win your team games， and lead your team into the playoffs， onto a team that is ready to get itself into playoff contention and has to convince their young star not to demand a trade after he's spent his entire career losing.
Risky game for sure， but a very high reward.
猛龙球迷：你得这样思：这个宿将控卫既能教化年青球星，又能带队赢球，还能冲进季后赛，临了还能身材力行告戒那些年青球星不要思着离队，因为他所有生存齐在四处转折中迷失了。
这笔走动高风险是服气的，但亦然高报告。
[–]Trail Blazers RandyJoeP 155 指標 1 天前
I also think if all you're losing is Rubio/Oubre and a pick this year it's probably the best move you could make.
CP3/Booker/Bridges/Johnson/Ayton is a decent starting lineup. I think you're running into issues on the bench since so much is leaving.
Probably going to have to match Saric for the backup 4， hope Jerome improves from year 1-2， and get a good return on whoever signs for the MLE. You're probably going to be tapped out on depth.
拓荒者球迷：何况我觉着吧，若是太阳失去的独一卢比奥、乌布雷和这赛季的一个选秀签，那未必是脚下能促成的最好操作了。
保罗、布克、布里奇斯、约翰逊和艾顿这套首发回挺靠谱的，不外替补端会遇到勤劳，因为许多东谈主齐要走。
未必太阳得匹配萨里奇的报价留下他打替补四号位，再寄但愿于杰罗姆这一两年快快卓绝，临了再签一个能孝敬即战力的中产。
太阳的板凳深度大致会受到很大冲击。
[–]MiddleStudy 266 指標 1 天前
CP3 and Book could be a dirty backcourt.
保罗和布克这对后场组合变态啊
[–]Rockets RandomDoctor 160 指標 1 天前
Did you forget Ayton in the middle
火箭球迷：别忘了还有个艾顿
[–]Thunder dogfan20 23 指標 23 小時前
Such a great spot for him. It’s like taking a further progressed OKC under your wing. Very interesting. Possible playoff run.
雷霆球迷：太阳极打量宜保罗。就好比带了一支加强版雷霆。很有道理哦，未必能打进季后赛。
[–]Thunder pikajewijewsyou 14 指標 22 小時前
If cp3 stays healthy I would see them being like a 5-6 seed and thats only cuz the West is so good. Cp3 fits in perfectly for them
雷霆球迷：如果保罗不伤的话，那我以为他们能排在五六名，因为西部着实太强了。保罗完整适配。
[–]Lakers thedoctor0918 58 指標 1 天前
Add another playoff team in the West. Holy shit lol
湖东谈主球迷：西部又多了一支具备季后赛实力的球队，我勒个擦
[–]Thunder RFFF1996 38 指標 1 天前
right now the only team that cannot make the playoffs is minnesota and sacramento right?
雷霆球迷：脚下没法冲击季后赛的西部球队独一丛林狼和国王了吧？
[–]chadingram6390 46 指標 23 小時前
I don't see a path for the Spurs either
我以为马刺也莫得脉络。
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